what would you advise joe biden to say and paul ryan to respond, if joe biden raises the issue about hey, we saved detroit, we saved the auto industry, which as you know your successor, governor snider, agreed with president obama on? >> i think a lot of people felt including president bush who started some of that in motion you had to do things to get the auto industry back on a solid footing and there was a clear debate about when the bankruptcy had to occur. there really wasn't in the bailout sort of a ignoring of the fact it was going to be a bankruptcy. i think it was a debate about the timing. the auto industry is a lot smaller today, more competitive but still plenty of challenges, i would be talking about where do we go interest here because we're not out of the woods yet. when you look to the first comment, john, about the overall economy and the lower unemployment rate, finally coming below 8% after 40 some months, think what you have to look at is the fact we have so many people not in the work force and i think american families all have been touched by the depth of this